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Akruti Nirman Dumps Quadra|
- By Abhishek Raval, May 24, 2007 1438 hrs IST
- Tags : Akruti Nirman, Quadra, ERP
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Driven by the need for flexibility in incorporating features in the core business application, Akruti Nirman, a Mumbai-based real estate company has decided to shun its existing core business application - Quadra. It has decided to build one instead.
Speaking to CXOtoday.com, Shrenik Mehta, AGM (IT) of Akruti Nirman said, "We wish to move over to a system that provides us the capability to incorporate functionalities as and when needed. And we thought that would be best achieved if we build an ERP ourselves."
The company apparently wants to refurbish its customer relationship as it plans to incorporate features such as complaint management, mobile management, etc. to its core application. But the IT head felt that with Quadra, the incorporation of new features was becoming rather cumbersome.
Additionally, the existing system was leading to data incongruence. "Quadra failed to enable an auto update of reports. This was resulting in a significant mismatch of data and repetitive work," explained Mehta. Even at the back end of systems the company has planned to move over to .Net development platform from the existing combination of VisualBasic-SQL.
The company expects the complaint management module to provide information on common problems that crop up during various project installations, and their remedy. Akruti is in the stage of listing all the activities from getting an order to project-handover. Later, these will be integrated into its new ERP. This would help compare costs.
Also in the offing, is the installation of a facility to monitor project sites live. This way, Mehta plans remote inspection of various sites without actually visiting them.
Mehta believes that for the successful implementation of IT systems it is important for an organization to make every employee aware of the initiative. He is also of the view that for an organization to implement an ERP, the top brass should be able to convey the seriousness of implementing the solution to the departments down the line.
Powersoft IT, the sister concern of Akruti Nirman is developing the ERP.
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by Rahul Jain on Jun 05, 2007 05:00 PM
I think there is some mistake here. Uppal chadha group is using Ascomp Tech's Reckoner for their real estate company. It is working very well and can be verified from the client. Its possible that the Uppal's group purchase Dynamics and that may not have worked satisfactorily -
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by Ramesh on May 25, 2007 06:21 PM
Dear Manpreet Singh, All-e, Noida. lets not talk about Microsoft Dynamics - what happened at Uppal Chadda Group in Delhi ? What's up at Bengal Shrachi Group in Kolkata ? You know at the end of the day - its really not the product its the consultants who come to implement the ERP solution that matter the most. Microsoft, SAP, Oracle - only as good as the consultants/people who know the domain. Half these guys are clueless or have little to no experience on the Domain itself. Dynamics failed at Uppal Chadda, but can you just blame the product ? -
by Meenal on Jun 06, 2007 05:18 PMToday SAP is doing very good in mid market segment also. There is no need for one to have Cr+ budget to implement SAP. The standard, quality and re-engineering of processes what SAP brings i don't think anybody else can bring. Can you please tell me one product which offers similar to what SAP offers. Just for your information I am independent consultant and i don't get comission from SAP. Since this is forum so i believer this is the medium by which we all can exchange our views. Show me 1 product which gives functionalities similar to SAP not in india but worldwide. To know SAP experience I believe you should have a word with companies who are already using SAP. Atleast I am of view that one should not write ERP when so much products are available in the market.
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by sarang kulkarni on Feb 18, 2008 03:12 PM
we are the students of NICMAR and doin PGD in Advance Construction Management. will be doing a thesis work on implementation of SAP in construction industry. so it will be helpfull for us if u provide us some information regarding SAP implementation, its problem in implementing, and any other information regarding the same -
by sarang kulkarni on Feb 18, 2008 02:35 PMinsted of buying i think develo[ing the own module will be the better idea which can fulfill the basic reqirement for the firm avoiding complication in understanding the application and westing money in implimenting n maintaing to. So if any comapny want to have one of such application,kindly mail us we the students of NICMAR will try to find the solution as a research work studying the current basic requirement
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by Anonymous on Feb 07, 2008 07:30 PM
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by Abey J on Oct 07, 2007 02:39 AMHas anyone tried Reckoner ERP? Its a fantastic product with integration to Microsoft Projects. They say it also has a built in estimation and project management module that scales very well with growth in users. Also, everything is natively integrated into finance so there is no manual intervention in data synchronization.
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by Kapil on Oct 04, 2007 01:51 PMWe can see the tremendous growth potential in construction Industry...Every midsize builder is now looking out for an ERP system...The biggest mistake they are doing is going for low cost solution like Quadra or Highrise which will not support their business as the business grows. & also the functionalities will never match with the standard ERP like SAP.These ERP's will become barrier for their growth in future. Instead of doing such things they should think for a standardised product like SAP which will be there for them throughout their life instead of going for a midsize ERP & again start evaluating SAP in 1 or 2 yrs and ultimately making loss by chosing a small ERP like Quadra & Highrise.
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by Puneet Kapoor on Sep 28, 2007 10:09 PMMicrosoft offers better flexibility, scalability and functionality in construction industry through its Dynamics ERP. The latest news shows they have in excess of 30 customers in construction and real estate. Quadra was past, SAP A1 is too expensive in TCO, SAP B1 is like a baby toy with little functionality...so Dynamics is doing well
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by Joby Kurian on Sep 26, 2007 12:00 PMThen about technology. Lot of applications of Banak Of America are still running on Mainframe. We may term Mainframe; an obsolete technology. But they are happy going ahead with that. We have to only look at our needs and then compare the Product's capability, preformance, track record and support. So, any company, who are all planning to stop a product, just check if someone else is using the same effectively! If so, problem could be with the implementation-in-charge!! Why should we waste the amount of money and time we already have invested?!
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by Joby Kurian on Sep 26, 2007 11:55 AMTo make any ERP; a successful one, there are lot of factors which need to be taken care. When we blame the product, we should check if the same product is running successfully for more than 2,3 years at least in one place! If so, there is no point in blaming the product. ERP implementation is a long running process. If the company has to implement it and get effective results, there should be patience, effective communication and the co ordinator who is the one point contact should have the capability to understand the requirements from the users or the management about what they need! Installation of a software is just nothing. But implementation is something else. Both the product vendor and the client should make it a win-win situation. If you search this site, you can see cases where SAP has been replaced with something else. Does that mean SAP is not good?! The ERP implementation-in-charge should have the capability to understand the user requirements (end user or the management) and he should have the capability to communicate the same to the ERP vendors's development team. If he/she fails, the implementation will fail. The implementation-in-charge should analyze the end user requirements and he himself should prioritize the needs and then get it done! Or else, there may be people who are not ready to change their way of doing. It is his capability to manage these issues.
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by chintan on Jun 06, 2007 10:43 AMwhen there are so many options are readily available I feel it is waste of resource and time to reinvent it. Secondly if the company is big enough (>500Cr revenue) then they should opt for SAP and not anyother software. If you see in history many people have implemented JD Edwards, Orient and other kind of ERP and finally they have settled for SAP so why not now. SAP has got very good real estate vertical and companies like K Raheja, Godrej and Oberoi construction have already opted and some of them are live as of today.
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by Rajib on Aug 01, 2007 12:32 PM
The EnterpriseOne edition of JDE 8.12 has got the home builder management module alongwith project management and real estate. I is very much suitable of the Construction industry and the features that are available are good enough. Even the price and implementation cost is less compared to SAP. -
by Neeraj Malhothr on Jun 12, 2007 03:59 PMI thought Akruti has implemented QUADRA for study purpose for their sister concern to develop an ERP. If any ERP is fails, it is the main mistake of the ERP Co-ordinator. While reading through the lines, one can easily identify that Akruti is going to build a product which is going to compete QUADRA. Thats why they wrote like this. From the reliable sources, I came to know that QUADRA actually replaces this product. Now after implementing quadra, they redevelop the system and telling that they are going to dump QUADRA. Lot of people are doing like this. This is a warning to all ERP developing company. If the Client is having any IT sister concern, they try to implement your product only for studay purpose. Any way coming good product for the construction industry will good for the industry.Best wishes for Akruti for their new product. One advise to Akruti. If you implement QUADRA with the same IT manager, them please remove him for the new ERP implementation since if he fails to implement one ERP he will be failure to implement the new one also. Why to take risk.
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by J Mahesh Babu on Jun 06, 2007 01:22 PMAgain this place is also being hijacked by all sales personnel masquearding as Clients and Consultants. Instead of meaning ful discussion and idea, We find lies and unabashed peddling. all these so called market consultants are nothing but sales guys of various ERP. If you are so great Identify yourselves. Give your numbers (One of the so called marketing consultant gave me a cochin mumber and an yahoo id. the Phone number turned out to be the Catholic Syrian bank but the guy who gave me was a cochin based ERP sales guy) This is absurd and shows the immatured level of all. This can be used for meaningful discussion and not lies and masquerades. all the so called shameless consultants and so called phantom user.. Do you really think that this works. If you wish to peddle.. do it with dignity.and with a phone number of your office.
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by Anees M on May 26, 2007 10:39 AM
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by Manu on Jun 06, 2007 04:40 PMDear Mr. Chinthan, Its a known fact that the corporate ERP giants like SAP, MS and Oracle can come to the market and capture the big customers in their market with the quality offering they have, but the interesting fact is that will they able to sustain or provide ample solution for this real estate industry, there are many SAP partners in the market which customises B1 to construction needs, but is it serving any purpose to the customer, are these companies really equipped to go for a Cr + deal for SAP A1 or any R3 versions, we need to think, if a company is hvng 500cr turn over and do yu really think they can go for A1, B1, R3 versions of SAP, where customisation, implementation and transformation for SAP is always 3 times the cost of product cost,(resulting in high TCO). ar these chaps ready for that ... Manu
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by Giridhar on Jun 05, 2007 03:40 PMPrakash, yes Highrise is working very effectively in Pune. We have seen Peoples those are using this software from last 7+ yrs. Highrise covers functional departments like Engineering, Purchase, Contracting, Accounts, Sales, Marketing, Site, Leasing and Administration etc. Highrise is Internet Ready and can online connect construction sites with head office or branch offices.
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by Neeraj on Jun 05, 2007 12:55 PM
Increasingly, a lot of real estate organizations are adopting ERPs. I feel if budget is not a constriant for the right solution, a global ERP with necessary India localizations could work out better in the long run. You can contact Microsoft, SAP, Oracle & their respective partners, as they are now very serious about this domain. -
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by Rahul Jain on Jun 05, 2007 01:59 PM
matrix I think does have a vertical for the real estate segment. The other product that has a very good presence in the real estate vertical is Reckoner from Ascomp Technologies. this is a Delhi based company and since it is a designed ERP solution, it provides a lot of functionality w.r.t finance, materials, budgeting and costing. Its completely web enabled -
by Annonymus on May 25, 2007 11:33 AMi understand that microsoft has a good erp offering for the construction industry which has been customized by one of their bigger partners in India to meet the specific needs of Construction industry. Microsoft claims 8-10 big construction companies using this solution in India. Worth contacting them and seeing the product.
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by rajeev Sharma on May 24, 2007 06:10 PMi know few company who is using In4velocity product and they are pretty happy with the performance and their implementation strategy. As a company we are also evaluating IN4 application and its seems matching our most of critical process. Let see wt our management see. We hv also seen other branded application like SAP,Oracle etc. but its seems they don?t hv any application for real estate company and asking us to invest lot of money.
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