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Akruti Nirman Dumps Quadra
By Abhishek Raval
Mumbai, May 24, 2007

Driven by the need for flexibility in incorporating features in the core business application, Akruti Nirman, a Mumbai-based real estate company has decided to shun its existing core business application - Quadra. It has decided to build one instead.

Speaking to CXOtoday.com, Shrenik Mehta, AGM (IT) of Akruti Nirman said, "We wish to move over to a system that provides us the capability to incorporate functionalities as and when needed. And we thought that would be best achieved if we build an ERP ourselves."

The company apparently wants to refurbish its customer relationship as it plans to incorporate features such as complaint management, mobile management, etc. to its core application. But the IT head felt that with Quadra, the incorporation of new features was becoming rather cumbersome.


Additionally, the existing system was leading to data incongruence. "Quadra failed to enable an auto update of reports. This was resulting in a significant mismatch of data and repetitive work," explained Mehta. Even at the back end of systems the company has planned to move over to .Net development platform from the existing combination of VisualBasic-SQL.

The company expects the complaint management module to provide information on common problems that crop up during various project installations, and their remedy. Akruti is in the stage of listing all the activities from getting an order to project-handover. Later, these will be integrated into its new ERP. This would help compare costs.

Also in the offing, is the installation of a facility to monitor project sites live. This way, Mehta plans remote inspection of various sites without actually visiting them.

Mehta believes that for the successful implementation of IT systems it is important for an organization to make every employee aware of the initiative. He is also of the view that for an organization to implement an ERP, the top brass should be able to convey the seriousness of implementing the solution to the departments down the line.

Powersoft IT, the sister concern of Akruti Nirman is developing the ERP.

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  I think there is some mistake here. Uppal chadha group is using Ascomp Tech's Reckoner for their real estate company. It is working very well and can be verified from the client. Its possible that the Uppal's group purchase Dynamics and that may not have worked satisfactorily
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Rahul Jain Ascomp Technolo New Delhi
05/06/07 05:00 PM
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  I totally agree with Mr. Ramesh for his view about consultants knowledge about the product. Approach and attitude is equally important of such so-called consultants
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Rajesh test mumbau
19/02/08 05:41 PM
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Today SAP is doing very good in mid market segment also. There is no need for one to have Cr+ budget to implement SAP. The standard, quality and re-engineering of processes what SAP brings i don't think anybody else can bring. Can you please tell me one product which offers similar to what SAP offers. Just for your information I am independent consultant and i don't get comission from SAP. Since this is forum so i believer this is the medium by which we all can exchange our views. Show me 1 product which gives functionalities similar to SAP not in india but worldwide. To know SAP experience I believe you should have a word with companies who are already using SAP. Atleast I am of view that one should not write ERP when so much products are available in the market.
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Meenal Anonymous Delhi
06/06/07 05:18 PM
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  we are the students of NICMAR and doin PGD in Advance Construction Management. will be doing a thesis work on implementation of SAP in construction industry. so it will be helpfull for us if u provide us some information regarding SAP implementation, its problem in implementing, and any other information regarding the same
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sarang kulkarni NICMAR construc Hyderabad
18/02/08 03:12 PM
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insted of buying i think develo[ing the own module will be the better idea which can fulfill the basic reqirement for the firm avoiding complication in understanding the application and westing money in implimenting n maintaing to. So if any comapny want to have one of such application,kindly mail us we the students of NICMAR will try to find the solution as a research work studying the current basic requirement
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sarang kulkarni NICMAR construc Hyderabad
18/02/08 02:35 PM
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Hi... I got to know that SAP implementation at OBEROI CUNSTRUCTIONS has been screwed up.
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Anonymous Anonymous Mumbai
07/02/08 07:30 PM
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Has anyone tried Reckoner ERP? Its a fantastic product with integration to Microsoft Projects. They say it also has a built in estimation and project management module that scales very well with growth in users. Also, everything is natively integrated into finance so there is no manual intervention in data synchronization.
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Abey J Ascomp Technolo Delhi/Chennai
07/10/07 02:39 AM
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We can see the tremendous growth potential in construction Industry...Every midsize builder is now looking out for an ERP system...The biggest mistake they are doing is going for low cost solution like Quadra or Highrise which will not support their business as the business grows. & also the functionalities will never match with the standard ERP like SAP.These ERP's will become barrier for their growth in future. Instead of doing such things they should think for a standardised product like SAP which will be there for them throughout their life instead of going for a midsize ERP & again start evaluating SAP in 1 or 2 yrs and ultimately making loss by chosing a small ERP like Quadra & Highrise.
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Kapil IT Consultant Pune
04/10/07 01:51 PM
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Kapil IT Consultant Pune
04/10/07 01:39 PM
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Microsoft offers better flexibility, scalability and functionality in construction industry through its Dynamics ERP. The latest news shows they have in excess of 30 customers in construction and real estate. Quadra was past, SAP A1 is too expensive in TCO, SAP B1 is like a baby toy with little functionality...so Dynamics is doing well
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Puneet Kapoor Anonymous New Delhi
28/09/07 10:09 PM
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  Yes I do agree with Puneet. Microsoft DYnamics are very user friendly products and SAP is awfully expensive for any SMB organisation. There are rumours that SAP B1 would be discontinued and would be replaced by A1S. So be careful before investing in B1
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Anil Sharma polaris New Delhi
29/09/07 09:37 PM
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Then about technology. Lot of applications of Banak Of America are still running on Mainframe. We may term Mainframe; an obsolete technology. But they are happy going ahead with that. We have to only look at our needs and then compare the Product's capability, preformance, track record and support. So, any company, who are all planning to stop a product, just check if someone else is using the same effectively! If so, problem could be with the implementation-in-charge!! Why should we waste the amount of money and time we already have invested?!
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Joby Kurian MNC Bnglr Bangalore
26/09/07 12:00 PM
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To make any ERP; a successful one, there are lot of factors which need to be taken care. When we blame the product, we should check if the same product is running successfully for more than 2,3 years at least in one place! If so, there is no point in blaming the product. ERP implementation is a long running process. If the company has to implement it and get effective results, there should be patience, effective communication and the co ordinator who is the one point contact should have the capability to understand the requirements from the users or the management about what they need! Installation of a software is just nothing. But implementation is something else. Both the product vendor and the client should make it a win-win situation. If you search this site, you can see cases where SAP has been replaced with something else. Does that mean SAP is not good?! The ERP implementation-in-charge should have the capability to understand the user requirements (end user or the management) and he should have the capability to communicate the same to the ERP vendors's development team. If he/she fails, the implementation will fail. The implementation-in-charge should analyze the end user requirements and he himself should prioritize the needs and then get it done! Or else, there may be people who are not ready to change their way of doing. It is his capability to manage these issues.
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Joby Kurian MNC Bnglr Bangalore
26/09/07 11:55 AM
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when there are so many options are readily available I feel it is waste of resource and time to reinvent it. Secondly if the company is big enough (>500Cr revenue) then they should opt for SAP and not anyother software. If you see in history many people have implemented JD Edwards, Orient and other kind of ERP and finally they have settled for SAP so why not now. SAP has got very good real estate vertical and companies like K Raheja, Godrej and Oberoi construction have already opted and some of them are live as of today.
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chintan IT consultant Mumbai
06/06/07 10:43 AM
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  The EnterpriseOne edition of JDE 8.12 has got the home builder management module alongwith project management and real estate. I is very much suitable of the Construction industry and the features that are available are good enough. Even the price and implementation cost is less compared to SAP.
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Rajib iconnect group pune
01/08/07 12:32 PM
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I thought Akruti has implemented QUADRA for study purpose for their sister concern to develop an ERP. If any ERP is fails, it is the main mistake of the ERP Co-ordinator. While reading through the lines, one can easily identify that Akruti is going to build a product which is going to compete QUADRA. Thats why they wrote like this. From the reliable sources, I came to know that QUADRA actually replaces this product. Now after implementing quadra, they redevelop the system and telling that they are going to dump QUADRA. Lot of people are doing like this. This is a warning to all ERP developing company. If the Client is having any IT sister concern, they try to implement your product only for studay purpose. Any way coming good product for the construction industry will good for the industry.Best wishes for Akruti for their new product. One advise to Akruti. If you implement QUADRA with the same IT manager, them please remove him for the new ERP implementation since if he fails to implement one ERP he will be failure to implement the new one also. Why to take risk.
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Neeraj Malhothr Dreams Builders Mumbai
12/06/07 03:59 PM
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Again this place is also being hijacked by all sales personnel masquearding as Clients and Consultants. Instead of meaning ful discussion and idea, We find lies and unabashed peddling. all these so called market consultants are nothing but sales guys of various ERP. If you are so great Identify yourselves. Give your numbers (One of the so called marketing consultant gave me a cochin mumber and an yahoo id. the Phone number turned out to be the Catholic Syrian bank but the guy who gave me was a cochin based ERP sales guy) This is absurd and shows the immatured level of all. This can be used for meaningful discussion and not lies and masquerades. all the so called shameless consultants and so called phantom user.. Do you really think that this works. If you wish to peddle.. do it with dignity.and with a phone number of your office.
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J Mahesh Babu Samskruti Bangalore
06/06/07 01:22 PM
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  You need to see SAP atleast once and please realise yourself before commenting like above. I am not a sales person. While you talk about dignity, Kindly give your name and contact no i'll approach you.
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chintan Anonymous Mumbai
06/06/07 05:29 PM
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An ERP implementation requires the commitment of the company as much as the erp vendor for an effective implementation. We have been using Quadra for over 3 years without any hitch. In fact we did look at other vendors but Quadra has the best solution for project execution.
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Anees M Anonymous Chennai
26/05/07 10:39 AM
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  which company are you with anees?
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Prem Twicecare Ponidcherry
06/06/07 04:55 PM
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Dear Mr. Chinthan, Its a known fact that the corporate ERP giants like SAP, MS and Oracle can come to the market and capture the big customers in their market with the quality offering they have, but the interesting fact is that will they able to sustain or provide ample solution for this real estate industry, there are many SAP partners in the market which customises B1 to construction needs, but is it serving any purpose to the customer, are these companies really equipped to go for a Cr + deal for SAP A1 or any R3 versions, we need to think, if a company is hvng 500cr turn over and do yu really think they can go for A1, B1, R3 versions of SAP, where customisation, implementation and transformation for SAP is always 3 times the cost of product cost,(resulting in high TCO). ar these chaps ready for that ... Manu
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Manu Construction Mumbai
06/06/07 04:40 PM
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Prakash, yes Highrise is working very effectively in Pune. We have seen Peoples those are using this software from last 7+ yrs. Highrise covers functional departments like Engineering, Purchase, Contracting, Accounts, Sales, Marketing, Site, Leasing and Administration etc. Highrise is Internet Ready and can online connect construction sites with head office or branch offices.
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Giridhar Chandrama Consu Pune
05/06/07 03:40 PM
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Hi Neeraj! Thanks for the valuable comment. Have you heard about Highrise?? Lots of Pune based Builders are using this software successfully.
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Prakash Pune Pune
04/06/07 02:52 PM
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  Increasingly, a lot of real estate organizations are adopting ERPs. I feel if budget is not a constriant for the right solution, a global ERP with necessary India localizations could work out better in the long run. You can contact Microsoft, SAP, Oracle & their respective partners, as they are now very serious about this domain.
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Neeraj Globe Consultan Mumbai
05/06/07 12:55 PM
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  matrix I think does have a vertical for the real estate segment. The other product that has a very good presence in the real estate vertical is Reckoner from Ascomp Technologies. this is a Delhi based company and since it is a designed ERP solution, it provides a lot of functionality w.r.t finance, materials, budgeting and costing. Its completely web enabled
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Rahul Jain Ascomp Technolo New Delhi
05/06/07 01:59 PM
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we are pune based construction compnay and we are looking erp solution for our company and we almost finalised Highrise-ERP software. Can anyone share the experience about Highrise-ERP Solutions.
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Prakash Pune Pune
04/06/07 11:04 AM
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  Have you evaluated Matrix, In4Velocity & Sonata Software also?
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Neeraj Globe Consultan Mumbai
04/06/07 02:32 PM
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  Thanks Manoj. I will be in touch on my next trip. We've visited/talked to several of Quadra's customers and a number of them don't use it anymore hence the skepticism. Thanks for the offer. Regards, Ramesh.
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Ramesh Marketing Consu Mumbai
03/06/07 09:46 PM
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  ramesh, you are welcome to visit our organisation to see the level of integration we hv achieved. our sites are spread at over 12 locations across India. kindly let me know when you are in Bangalore next and maybe we can meet and share experiences.
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Manoj Thomas Anonymous Bangalore
31/05/07 09:01 PM
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Anees, I absolutely agree with you. We did try and implement Quadra about two years back but gave up. After about a year we made an attempt again with greater determination and I am happy to say that Quadra is working very effectively now.
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Manoj Thomas Bangalore Bangalore
26/05/07 10:42 AM
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  Dear Manoj Thomas from Bangalore, please let us know who your company is where Quadra is running effectively. Thanks.
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Ramesh Marketing Consu Mumbai
26/05/07 06:10 PM
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Hi Rajeev from Delhi, U will change ur mind once u see Microsoft Dynamics NAV and the vertical solution built for your industry by us.Do lemme know!!
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Manpreet Singh All-e Noida
25/05/07 12:49 PM
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  Dear Manpreet Singh, All-e, Noida. lets not talk about Microsoft Dynamics - what happened at Uppal Chadda Group in Delhi ? What's up at Bengal Shrachi Group in Kolkata ? You know at the end of the day - its really not the product its the consultants who come to implement the ERP solution that matter the most. Microsoft, SAP, Oracle - only as good as the consultants/people who know the domain. Half these guys are clueless or have little to no experience on the Domain itself. Dynamics failed at Uppal Chadda, but can you just blame the product ?
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Ramesh Marketing Consu Mumbai
25/05/07 06:21 PM
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Many IT department try to do that and in the end get a lumpy solution with huge maintenance bill. It only secures the job of the IT department and solves none of the org problems.
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Anonymous Anonymous Delhi
25/05/07 12:09 PM
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i understand that microsoft has a good erp offering for the construction industry which has been customized by one of their bigger partners in India to meet the specific needs of Construction industry. Microsoft claims 8-10 big construction companies using this solution in India. Worth contacting them and seeing the product.
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Annonymus IT Consultant Delhi
25/05/07 11:33 AM
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we have already evaluated ERP like in4velocity, SAP and oracle. This are the closest match to construction business. I am not of the opinion to go for building of ERP in todays world when there are so many options are available
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Anonymous Anonymous mumbai
25/05/07 09:48 AM
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i know few company who is using In4velocity product and they are pretty happy with the performance and their implementation strategy. As a company we are also evaluating IN4 application and its seems matching our most of critical process. Let see wt our management see. We hv also seen other branded application like SAP,Oracle etc. but its seems they don?t hv any application for real estate company and asking us to invest lot of money.
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rajeev Sharma later delhi
24/05/07 06:10 PM
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